Deca Cycle Info.

Dear Mick,

I am 58 years old and have been training for 40 years – never taken any gear! I still train hard and quite heavy, I am 5′ 11′ 100kg. As you can imagine I am starting to get some discomfort during training especially elbows and found it more difficult to maintain the same muscularity even with a good diet and cardio work.

I have read your book (Layman’s Guide), seen the video and subscribed to NO Bull mag, which I found informative and amusing. However because of my age I am more curious about steroids, and although I have read your cycle for the older man there are certain aspects of it that I am unsure about.

1. I notice you did not include Deca? Would this not help my joint problem? How much – 200mg per week?
2. You highly recommended Andriol (I like the wet woobine analogy!) but some sites on the net suggest that it is ineffective – I know that has not been your experience!
3. Why do you recommend Testoviron instead of for example sustanon for the older man? How much 250mg per

I would like to try a cycle, and would appreciate your advice. I am sorry to ask so many questions but I simply like to understand what I am taking and how it works also over the years I have seen the side affects in various gyms of over use or abuse, and being older have concerns about my prostate health and coming off cycle without adverse affects.

yours sincerely,
Drew Davidson.

Hey Drew,

First of all, thanks for subscribing – it helps believe me mate. As for the joint problems, yes I know, I have the same problems and deca will indeed help – a lot. It would be no problem to add the deca to the older mans cycle, but I did not put it in for any other reason but there are so many cycles that will work for WE older man.

As for your age, taking gear is easier really the older you are as I have said many times we lose the high levels of natural testosterone as we get older. Using gear only boost those levels back to normal really. Great for feeling younger too!

The side effects thing is greatly reduced and even taken out when the proper dosages and systems are used. As for Deca, in that stack I would suggest 200mg every fifth day to be honest with one of those shots being put into the same syringe as the first shot of testoviron. The reason I say testoviron on this occasion is simple, I find that using test gives me that much more mass and quality muscle and quality muscle will create more mass thinning the skin as it grows.

It works well for me and does not produce to much water retention if it is not abused. Sustanon gives me great strength
gains as well as mass, but I feel that the test has the edge that little bit more mate. Andriol? They don’t know their fucking arse from their elbows Drew. Why? Because all they want to do is use the heaviest, most toxic gears they can in the thought that they can do it no other way.

Twats! If it takes a little bit longer, it does and Andriol IS known as one of the safest steroids about and it WORKS
believe me. Do we have to use the hardest and most toxic gears – no we don’t. That’s why people using my cycles don’t get shit side effects AND they grow – in safety.

You take care buddies and don’t risk your life.

God Bless!!!


Founder of Mick Hart Training Systems and
the No Bull Collection Magazine.

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Julian September 22, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Dear mick,

I wish to boost my muscles somewhat, and therefore i read all your laymans guides. A friend of mine alex ordered it and we split the cost and read away. Excellent. A lot of people indeed dont know what they are talking about, you saved us from making a big mistake. I took 200 Deca and 250 Susta every week for 8 weeks , 2 years ago and he results were inpressive. I would like to try this again, but with some Primo this time.
It is said that primo is highly androgenic, meaning prostate and hair problems right? I have read about palm leaves oil, blocking this effect.
Apparently this however works well with Primo, but works reverse with deca, as the alfa blockers make deca more androgenic but not more anabolic…
I dont know who to believe… Can you tell me what’s the shite or the truth?

Thanks mate.


tom September 22, 2008 at 6:09 pm

thanks for the info on deca, im 55 and have joint problems so i may give it ago


Brian September 22, 2008 at 8:08 pm

I love that you post these notes, letters you get. They have proved to be very helpful in that things I didn’t KNOW I wanted to know I am learning. My stack consisted of deca and T4 but I haven’t been able to get my hands on any since that lil crack down that went on last year that stretched from NY to Vegas. I had GREAT results with that stack and used only 1 cc of both every 4th days LOVED it. Now if I could only find some more…..


chris September 22, 2008 at 9:44 pm

hello Mick. wonder if you can help me with how much anadrol I schould use each day/week??? I`m ca 70 kg, and want to build muscle, not to be to-big but also STRONG…. love Chis


DAVE September 23, 2008 at 12:43 am

Mick, Its great reading all your e-mails. I’ve enjoyed the no bull approach and am going to buy your books. I don’t know who to trust anymore and just figure I’ll take and get as much knowledge as I can before trying the gear again. I had a bad experience from pins(did’nt aspirate) and almost collapsed, scared the hell out of me. Anyway take care and keep givin the good fight.—Dave


RAFAEL INDACOCHEA October 20, 2008 at 9:12 pm



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