Dear Mick,
I’ve been hitting the iron for awhile now, and just not seeing the results. I’m going to do my first cycle. Now a lot of people have told me to go with Primo Depot. My goal is to put on a lean 10-15lbs of mass and lose some body fat. What would be best in this situation?
John Akley, Birmingham
Alright John?,
Sorry but the primo will not get you the gains that you are looking for, OK it is very good for conditioning and is the only steroid that will work on a low calorie diet. I would try this: Go on a 8 week cycle and follow:
1 x testoviron every five days
1 x 50 mg of winstrol injection (in delt with a very small syringe – the orange type)
1 x 20mg every other day at least anabol or dianabol – start with 3 per day for the first week, move to 5 the second week, 7 the third and 9 the fifth. Have two weeks on 9 and start tapering down again.
This will give you the size that you want BUT you need to be eating at least 4 GOOD meals per day including protein drinks – six meals would be better. Remember, you must try and be as exact on meal times as possible. This will help you to grow and the fat will definitely start to come off. That is if you are training very HARD! Hope that it has helped.
Dear Mick,
I am 32, weigh 13st 10 and have trained for 3 years – I have now hit the “plateau” and cannot see myself going any further naturally – my nutrition is good, as with my training. Can you advise me as to what would be a good stack for a first timer? I want a bit more size and condition which I will mostly be able to keep after coming off, rather than instant mass which I might loose a lot of (mostly through water retention).
In the Q&A section of Laymans Guide II, you answer a similar question and advise Primobolan and Anavar along with Clenbuterol (I also need to loose about half a stone) which sounded ideal for me. The only thing that does worry me a bit is the fact that my hair has receded a bit over the last couple of years. Will Primobolan make it worse, being a derivative of DHT, although I know it depends largely on the individual.
If you do advise me to take this stack, or similar, should I include Nolvadex. Also should Clenbuterol be taken whilst on the stack or after (4 week on 2 off etc)? Finally, can you give me details of how to get Laymans Guides I + II
Thank you for your time
Wayne Smith
Hey Wayne,
This question has been asked and answered so many times in the NO BULL and the recent books that I have published, the reason for it being so is understandable. But you have to realise several factors…..
Firstly, you say that you have been going “thin’ on top over the last couple of years, maybe that is the way it will go -it did for me actually.
At first it worried me, then I thought similarly to what you are doing now, “If I use more gear, will it get worse?” The answer is that it COULD but also could not. You really cannot be sure. I know so many people who in the same situation, had no problems whatsoever, others went the other way. It really is only a question that your God can answer straightaway and your body over a period of time.
BUT – and this is a real big BUT………… look at the situation as it is now, well let’s make up a person so that you don’t think that I am calling you names.
Let’s take a guy who is moving into his thirties, same as you and HE too is faced with the same predicament. He may think, “no way am I going to get bald” and forget the situation; train naturally and maybe gain some muscle and get results over a longer period of time. This may be OK, but what if he is going to get bald ANYWAY, stopped training having NOT gained a fucking inch and on top of all THAT ends up not only BALD as a snooker ball, but a fat bastard to boot!! What about that for a shitty situation yeah?
Now then, let’s look at our second scenario, the ‘loverly’ old me!!’ I was in a position of being about 20 years old and the old ‘barnet’ (hairline) started to go backwards, in fact it was looking like I had a fringe on the top of my arse!! Boy was I worried. What could I do?
I sat and thought about it (for about a year or so, watching as my comb got used less and less) and suddenly thought about the RIGHT way to go about it. I decided to train as hard as I could, every day that I was physically capable of doing. I WOULD take the gear AND as much as it took – obviously within the safest protocolic parameters possible – and I did. Wanna know why?
Easy, there were so many people out there who were looked at as not only bald headed fat bastards, but FAT, bald headed fat bastards – double jeopordy don’t you think? That particular scenario was NOT going to be looked at in THIS mans direction!! No way me old cocker.
So I trained like a lion and the problem became one for the OCCASIONAL other person to worry about NOT ME! They would say, “Hey Mick, you are going bald mate”, I would and do turn to them with my biceps peaked and hard, my waist tight and at LEAST 15 inches smaller than my chest; my legs and arse tighter that that of as ducks, oh and being tanned at the same time! I would and do turn and enjoy saying, “Yeah, I do believe that you are right. But why are you worried me old FAT mate? At least I have seen my balls these last few years! Have you seen yours?”
See what I mean? Why worry about it, shave it off, get them AND YOU used to it. In the main, others worry about it more than you would if you are in the right frame of mind. As for the last bit of your question and what to use, I would go for something like I have put in the Laymans Guide II, testoviron on Mondays, Winstrol through the week and Andriol on about 4-6 per day throughout the course. Do not worry about the amounts of gear, believe me, it is not a lot and you will be safe – no problem.
One last point, if you were not losing a bit of hair and you did through using the gear, the losses are not permanent anyway and would come back. Please support the NO BULL as you requested the information, this would be appreciated. All can be purchased via card, cheque, cash etc.
God Bless You.
Mick
Founder of Mick Hart Training Systems and
the No Bull Collection Magazine.
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mick, would love to purchase laymens guides but unfortunalty because i use a works laptop when ever i click on the links the security features kick me out, any suggestions?? p.s i did buy laymens 1 and 2 before off you about 2 years ago under old email, (geraint.f@aol.com.) email me back, cheers.
hi mick a great site.every one shud visit it.hey mick i am goin to cycle a bulking with sustanon,dianabol and deca .can u suggest me how much amount of protein and carbo shud be consumed and what vitamins and minerals shud be taken.i weigh 73 kgs
Hi There old Mate”",
this time I must say Your Right,why not put on some Serius Lean Muscles,
when You Still can.
Personly I think the amount of “Gear” sounds quite A lot,but when you look
on the time period,I guess its Not that Mutch.
Cant Forget Your Video/Audio on OTT cycles.
HOLY SHIT some guys Did seems to have A Problem.
Or at least they woud Get Some….. Right!!!
Ps. “LOVE the LG II” GREAT info!!!! THANKS!!!
Hello Mick,
Just recived the report on your son chris, which i might add was very good reading, if that don’t make people get up off their fat arse and go lift some weights, i don’t know what will. (VERY INSPIRING) well for me anyway.
Just a quick question for you only recently found your site.
and was thinking F##K it Time to do some serious training.
because before i was just in and out of the gyms and pottering about with no real commitment,but decided that it was time to take the BULL by the Horns and start to get serious,
So was wondering for the cycle that i want to do would be for me was 8 weeks totaling 365 Dianabol and 56 Nolvadex using Chris’s first six month training programme ( Just want gain size and definition) where would i get that quantity being from the Highlands of Scotland (INVERNESS)
Your Help in this matter would be greatfuly appreciated
Regards
ALLAN
Cheers Mick !!!!
hi mick
as usual great advice ,always safety in mind and always willing to listen and read to what the common man has to say